Reduce the entry requirements for new users #1231
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Have you tried how fresh install looks currently? @mattschlosser made great improvement over what we had in 3.3. I think it's quite pretty. (not saying that it could not be improved still) |
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I think so. You mean the below form? It's good. I can't recall the previous style. We just need an 'Easy Setup' button on it :) And a little more color perhaps. I was thinking that perhaps 'all' we need is a set of db and document files for the languages we want to provide an easy install for and the option simply downloads those files and restores them.
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We can add color still before 4.0 but text changes will go to 4.1 :-) |
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3.3 was like this so there's quite some improvement :-)
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Ah, yes, I remember it well now :) Color is not so important. But the 'Easy Setup' option would be good to have for v4. Do you think that is worth adding at some point? |
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4.1 earliest because we can't avoid string additions... but 4.1 don't need to wait 1 year maybe |
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I can't really speak for others but maybe @mattschlosser might be interested in this. 😊 |
Came to mind that in principle, we could enable some simple extra button for english interface only (but disable for other languages). (not that this is my opinion though... just saying) |
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IMO, we should do this after 4.0. Yes I get what @agrogers is saying, but we have already come a long way from where we were regarding first time users, and we should always seek to improve even further but I think we should set a limit on how much for 1 version so we can get it rolled out. Every feature change has more potential bugs and quirks to work out, dragging out the release even further. |
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I agree, besides throwing a lot of changes, even though they are
improvements, will overwhelmed the current users and may frustrated them. I
may be getting older but the learning curve for some of these changes is
high for users who are used to 3.3 setup.
…On Sat, Jul 3, 2021, 10:02 AM Timmy Braun ***@***.***> wrote:
IMO, we should do this after 4.0. Yes I get what @agrogers
<https://github.com/agrogers> is saying, but we have already come a long
way from where we were regarding first time users, and we should always
seek to improve even further but I think we should set a limit on how much
for 1 version so we can get it rolled out. Every feature change has more
potential bugs and quirks to work out, dragging out the release even
further.
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Yes, intention was not to make a giant release, but it just happened like this again... |
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About OP: this suggestion does not take into account users of various different languages and how to handle them. |
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Yes, I support all those comments. I am just adding things as they come to
mind. I will forget them if I don't.
…On Sun, 4 Jul 2021, 5:11 am Tuomas Airaksinen, ***@***.***> wrote:
About OP: this suggestion does not take into account users of various
different languages and how to handle them.
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I stumbled onto these unfortunate 1 star reviews on Amazon. It is from 2013 so a lot has changed since then! But I think the startup experience still risks this response:
For v4.1 I think we really need to provide an option for a 1 click install that downloads everything that a first time user might want (multiple Bibles, commentaries, dictionaries, maps, books, etc). I dont think this is hard to do. It could even just be an automatic restore action of a package we have already made up. We gain or lose users in the first 5 mins after download - these are examples of people we might still lose even today because there is a lot of clicking needed to get half the things we will show in our promo videos. Just flagging this so we don't forget it :) |
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We could do "simple setup" option for english users and make some way to configure some other languages too (like recommended_documents.json), but fully generic solution that works for all languages does not exist I think. |
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Yeah, I agree with you. It's impossible for all languages because there are insufficient documents in all categories. If it only showed for English (and Finnish?) speakers then perhaps it could make it into this release. It feels like there would be very little front end stuff to do (one button perhaps) and just a matter of reusing your existing backend code. If it was a restore then I could make the default package, host it on github and and restore it from there. |
This I did not understand |
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Though I think this is not blocking release, we can release with or without it. Implement it as soon as possible, but not block the release. |
I see two main ways to get documents and database onto a new phone. 1) Download each individual document and create database 2) Restore documents and database Option 2 is very easy - AB already does that. So to implement this we need a button that says 'Default Setup (recommended)' and backed up database and documents file somewhere that we can restore from. Does that make sense? |
I don't like this idea. Would require maintaining default setup zip file and would burden our free GH quota unnecessarily (it will slow down if it is used too much per month). I rather implement it as a list of documents that are installed -- similarly as @mattschlosser 's quick setup button works (for those users that are having backup of db). |
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Maintenance would be pretty easy. Maybe nill. But yes, I agree that
download and dynamic database creation is better all round. Where is the
'quick setup button'? I havent seen that.
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 at 20:19, Tuomas Airaksinen ***@***.***> wrote:
Option 2 is very easy - AB already does that. So to implement this we need
a button that says 'Default Setup (recommended)' and backed up database and
documents file somewhere that we can restore from.
I don't like this idea. Would require maintaining default setup zip file
and would burden our free GH quota unnecessarily (it will slow down if it
is used too much per month). I rather implement it as a list of documents
that are installed -- similarly as @mattschlosser
<https://github.com/mattschlosser> 's quick setup button works (for those
users that are having backup of db).
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I guess it pops up if Android restores db when installing app. (for example, if you have a new phone, it could do that). I'm not exactly sure how to trigger that. |
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I recommend one of you guys downloading and running Bible Time on their desktop. It's based on the SWORD modules as well, and has a few key UI differences during startup:
The power of And Bible comes in its vast access to many resources at once, along with the freedom to sideload other assets (researching cults? no problem!). Downloading 1 bible and Strong's automatically is almost underselling what it can do! |
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Where does it look for a backup zip file? (i.e. What directory)
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Does this look reasonable? "Quick redownload" is hidden if backup does not
exist. "Easy start" will be hidden if device language is something else
than english.
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Android restores it in AB's internal folder, where it is normally when it is in use. |
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"Easy setup" option now install all documents mentioned here: https://github.com/AndBible/data/blob/master/default_documents.json |
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Please test this by doing some fresh installs... If we want to do anything in addition to what I implemented, please open new ticket. |
Should it also have "Robinson" morphological codes? Haven't rechecked now but I think it asks for that now as well when opening strongs link |
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Added Robinson there too |
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May be I didn't say it correctly, in order to unhide the selection to
restore from a backup, which directory does AB look at to see is there was
a backup file.
…On Tue, Aug 24, 2021, 8:39 AM Tuomas Airaksinen ***@***.***> wrote:
Added Robinson there too
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As I said earlier. AB does not look at any other folder. Android may or may not put file there. For example when switching to new phone it should be there. |
It's based on Google's app backup. If your device settings are set to backup apps, then And Bible database is backed up to Google nightly (if you're on wifi/plugged in etc or your settings permit). Then if you install And Bible on a brand new phone where you have the same Google account, the database is automatically restored on install. And Bible will then see in the database which documents were installed before and give you the option to re-download those documents. |
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@timbze you are indeed better explaining this :-) |
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So I have to buy a new phone to test this😁
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@timbze <https://github.com/timbze> you are indeed better explaining this
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😆 Or uninstall AB (after making sure Google has backed it up), and just do a new install. Google also restores when installing from apk |
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You should be able to check Google backup status for all apps in system settings (look for And Bible, when it was last backed up) |
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I don't use Google backup for apps only contacts. I use Samsung for backup
of apps and other things. I don't trust Google for many reasons. So
basically you can save the net.bibleactivity.net file and restore it
yourself for people who don't use cloud for their backups. That's why I
asked if there is a specific folder that AB uses to look for a zip backup
file and I still don't know the answer to that question.
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You should be able to check Google backup status for all apps in system
settings (look for And Bible, when it was last backed up)
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This feature has only been built as I described, so it does not look at any folder for zips. |
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So if the person restores their AB app and it's data from Google cloud
backup why would there be any reason to restore anything, all Bible module
files are going to be there. And a new version of AB will only update the
app. Am I missing something?
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This feature has only been built as I described, so it does not look at
any folder for zips.
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Module files are not backed up. Google backup has limit of 25Mb so we had to exclude modules directory from backup. |
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I believe this feature probably works also with Samsung's backup tool the same way (?) |
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I have not tested with Samsung but if they restore data on install then it should |
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not necessarily on install but perhaps when restoring app from backup it will do just this |
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It looks great! Looking forward to trying it out.
Only change I see now is to move Easy Install to they very top.
…On Wed, 25 Aug 2021, 5:02 am Tuomas Airaksinen, ***@***.***> wrote:
not necessarily on install but perhaps when restoring app from backup it
will do just this
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I have spent a few hours looking at more 'study' Bibles on Play Store and And Bible is wayyyy better than all the ones I looked at. Plus, most of them had advertising! Yet some still managed to have 100s of thousands of downloads.
One thing I noticed again is that installation of these programs is very easy. Everything is installed automatically - Bibles, Strongs dictionary, and of course the highlighting colors (#1172) - all there after installation.
With And Bible the user is asked to download or restore, then they have 1800 documents to choose from, they select them one by one, then download, and finally they can start. I think this is unnecessarily hard.
Could we:
If they choose Quick Setup then we might also grab some extra info:
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